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GT-R
The article states that GT-R is abbreviated for "Gran Turismo Racer, with the word Racer being separated to enhance the performance version" Is this what Nissan claim it to be or is this just an assumption? - Ajax 12:08PM 4th April 2007 (GTM) I don't believe that this is correct, because some very early performance Skyline models were labeled GT-B. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.5.160.3 (talk) 19:38, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
It is referred to that GT_B was meant for GT Berlinetta this is not true as the Prince Skyline GT was marketed as the Prince A200 GT. There was the "B" version for the hi performance version and "A" version for the normal road version. There was also a Prince B200 from where the engine for the A200 came from. The "B" had no more meaning than to differentiate it from the "A" model, that is simply "B" or "A". The only visible external difference in the A and B model was the colour of the GT side badge. There was visible difference internally and under the bonnet Les228 --Preceding unsigned comment added by Les228 (talk o contribs) 00:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Why Are Skyline R34 Illegal Video
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--- some of the sections on this page look like they've been put through a translator. resulting in a horrible, barely understandable mess. ---
Don't worry, fixed parts of it last night. Took care of the horribly garbled KPGC110 section --yummyfire
Need to replace first image in title, Its not a GTR. Car pictured is an R33 GTS-t.. Have to get a nice R34 GTR pic in there me thinks! :p
SKYLINE'S RULE!!!..especially the skyline R-34
--- A used R-34 will cost around 95 000 USD in the states. I don't really think that is a "considerably lower price" compared to the Porsche 911
The GTR cost 95000 if it is from Motorex, They are making a huge profit from it.
--- R-34s aren't supposed to be sold in the States, coz they only come in right had drive. The extra expense is probably due to the conversion. Outside the States, I belive the cost runs into somewhere between 50K-60K USD. --Preveen 09:58, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
R-34's arent sold in the States not because they are RHD, but because nissan didnt import them here and the prices are so high mostly because you have to do all the emissions and registration
The reason did have something to do with the fact that they were right hand drive. Nissan listed the fact that re-doing the plumbing for the twin-turbo's to compensate for the fact that the stearing collumn was now on the wrong side would cost more than the profit they would make by selling it here. Oh, and in Canada R32's can be had for as low as $10000 canadian thanks to the 15-year importation law that says that if a car is 15 years old or older you can import it with far less restriction. It's not perfectly legal, but you can buy a skyline in canada imported like this, bring it to the united states, and register it as a 240sx. It's not completely legal, but their isn't a fine. It's not fraud since you're taking a loss in insurance levels and rights.
And by the by, the emissions complaints are bollocks, because the Skyline is far cleaner, far more fuel effecient, and safer than many cars made by US companies.
You can get an r-34 in the states however they come with a hefty price tag and in some states you must convert them to LHD as well as pay for the new VIN and so on.
Need a pic of an R32 from the front as well as more information on the R34.
NOTE: US DOT does not require cars to be left-hand drive. If an automanufacture wanted to create a car and sell it in the US as a left-hand drive, they can. But most American's wouldn't buy such cars. But I will.
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1. The fact the car is RHD (right hand drive) has nothing to do with its legality. As long as the car meets US DOT safety criteria for its class it can be driven from the backseat for all they care. This is the reason why most postal vans are RHD and legal. Also I have not heard about any states not allowing RHD cars to not be registered. I work out of Cali so this is correct as far as I know.
2. Also, the emissions are a major problem with this car because in Japan and Europe, gas is of a much higher octane (95-99),*Europe and japan also use a different octane measurement, RON as opposed to PON, 95-99 RON is pretty much equal to 89-93 PON* this means that it burns more controlled and gives a highly turbo-charged car better emissions and burn control over the fuel. If you leave the car stock, this isn't too much a problem, but with the fact that most (by most I mean the vast majority, 90%) of cars on the Japanese market are modded to hell and most are sold because drivers can't afford to have them pass vehicle inspections that year. I drove plenty of these cars. Most go out and get turbo timers, gauges, exhausts, software, and the electronics to override the adjustable wastegates for more boost. This means bad emissions, that most cars can't pass with US and especially 10% ethanol gas (which basically lowers the octane rating by one without people realizing the 91 is really 90 after the ethanol is added).
3. QUOTEIt's not perfectly legal, but you can buy a skyline in canada imported like this, bring it to the united states, and register it as a 240sx. It's not completely legal, but their isn't a fine. It's not fraud since you're taking a loss in insurance levels and rights. /QUOTE
Fruad is fraud, try telling the cop that pulls you over that. Car will be crushed, no questions asked, this is a federal FELONY. You are putting down insurance fraud, registration fraud, and tax evasion. Don't risk it, trust me I looked at a lot of ways to get it in with little worry. Very few ways seemed feasible. This was one of those I wrote off the list. Understand the legal system before you do something like that. Fraud is fraud even if you are taking a hit.
4. The cars are not brought in because they are not crash tested. When Motorex (anyone remember that fiasco?) did testing on the R33, they lied and said it was good for the R32 & 34 too. Wasn't true. While 32/34 is illegal to bring in, the 33 isn't (although who really wants that?) What you can do is bring those in and mod them to be legal and then register. still about 20-30k after said and done, but its possible. Until someone wants to sacrifice 10 R34's and 10 32's (please not GT-Rs) to crash testing, none of those are legal. Your best shot is to bring in an 32 under the guise its a 33. Basically if a car has a US equivalent, then you can argue and use that crash test data (eg. FD RX-7, Supra, Silvia), but if there is not comprable vehicle, which is proven there isn't you must get it certified.
5. QUOTE A used R-34 will cost around 95 000 USD in the states. I don't really think that is a "considerably lower price" compared to the Porsche 911 /QUOTE
Yeah, I think the author was refering to Japan where it can be had for less than $25k, a lot less than a Porsche. However, the Nissan is a lot more reliable.
Also I have some pics of R-34s and such as well as some RB 26 motors I took while at Nismo Omuri Factory in Tokyo and USS auto auctions. 64.128.205.226 08:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Well to add my 2 cents about Illegal cars in the states. the R34 has no acceptable side impact beems, no acceptable safety glass, less then acceptable emissions, no steel beam front or rear bumpers, seatbelts that don't meet US crass standards, most cars outside the states are this way, well most pre-late 90's cars atleast. if you want to bring ANY car into the states WITHOUT having anyone touch it it either has to be 25 years old or older, or Registered as a race or show car. My friend just took an 81 mini cooper back to America and didn't have to do anything to it. He also took back an older TVR, which he registered as a collectors/show car. everytime he reregisters that TVR he has to log milage and events he takes it too. so if he drives it regularly, it gets impounded. Yes skylines are badass but just do what i'm doing, buy the car in parts/sections and register it as a kit car. WAY less then 60k to 95k (i'm spending about 45k altogether including assembly. on an unmodified car mind you). oh yeah one last thing....the US could care less if the car is right hand drive left hand drive or center driver, as long as it passes emisions and safety if you buy a factory car.
Modification
Can we please keep the Modification section limited to general information, rather than an info-dump for someones personal opinion. Someone made a huge 'Stage-1 Tuning Guide'. Alot of that information was wrong, but that is not for me or anyone to argue, because that kind of information doesnt belong here in the first place.
144.139.5.144 11:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC) The company Veilside in Japan have both their R32 and 34 GTRs to produce 1400 hp (not 1200hp), as well as doin it with the standard 2.6L capacity. The closest that i have know of is the Croydon Racing Developments R33 GTR of Australia, which produces 1350hp, but with a 2.7L stroker motor.
I think that info-dumping in the mod section is always gonna happen, so it should just be edited enough to avoid personal opinion and just place in the hard facts. Info dumping is fine, as long as it's facts and not opinion and doesn't just become a stats sheet for a bunch of aftermarket companies.63.196.61.3 17:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
revert
I've reverted the edits by 68.64.55.74 to the last version by me. The added content was unrefernced, unencyclopedic and linkspam. Zunaid 09:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
re: History of the brand
Quoting this bit "the 1989- GT-Rs remained (relatively) cheap. Although unconfirmed, it is even rumoured that they were sold at a loss. Although strange today, this cavalier attitude to marketing was common among Japanese car manufacturers of the late 1980s and early 1990s."
If that was true, then why Nissan went ahead and rather then just stopping at 5000 they were required to by the FIA, they went on to build 43,000 of them? In the UK, they were sold when grey imported and new at £35,000. I will be placing a . mark thereWillirennen 16.00 11 May 2006
Z-tune
Z-tunes are reconditioned/rebuilt autos. The article read like they were a resurrected platform, so I fixed it. Nissan/Nismo used low-mileage cars to built the 20 Z-tunes. CJ DUB 16:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Mount Panorama
"The GT-R's success at Mount Panorama in 1991 and 1992, both by Jim Richards"
This is not correct as in 1991 and 1992 Jim Richards was paired with Mark Skaife. Mark as the number 1 driver and Jim as number 2. Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathurst_1000 for more info under Mount Panorama section. 51LNC
New GTR
shouldn't the new Nissan GTR be placed in it's own article as it dosen't bear the "Skyline" name or chassis anymore? 138.162.128.41 19:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
As and when the new GT-R comes out, and IF it does not bear the Skyline name-plate, it will probably get its own article. For the time being it belongs here, not least because it is still a future product and the info is still speculative. Zunaid 13:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Agree with the policy, and it looks like the move date is getting closer, with the release of the V36, as mentioned in the main Skyline page. It might be useful considering if we should keep the Skyline GT-Rs in this page, rename the page for the GT-R and mention that the GT-R is decended from the older generation Skyline GT-Rs, which is as much a part of its history as its beginings with Prince and the older GTS models that foreran the GT-Rs. It should easily fit into the current layout of the article. In sum, no Skyline GT-R page, only a GT-R page. --Preveen 16:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I hope the new Skyline comes with a new four-wheel steering and four-wheel drive. :) Engine by Cosworth? I want an Nismo/Nissan-engine. ;) I hope one of the award winning VQ-series.
ca. 450hp? Is that a supercar?
The Engine information hasn't fully been released to the public yet, from what i have read various places (ie: magazines. internet and so on...) Nissan has taken it upon themselves to design a new engine to create the unbelievable high horsepower but will come at a price around 75-80,000 CDN...
I have read and seen pitures of the new Skyline GTR. It is a 3.6Lt V6 Twin Turbo, it is a VQ based engine like the 350Z and the Infiniti, so I assume its a VQ36DETT. Release date end of 2007. So still a while. Have a look for yourself: http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/modules/news/article.php?storyid=21 -Ajax
The story and the magazine it samples from the above link don't agree on the engine's displacement. The magazine says the new engine will displace 3.7 litres but the actual article states 3.6.
-Yeah I posted that article. Iam not to sure who to believe, is the article correct or did the website make a mistake? Looks like the article is "Questioning" it might be a 3.7Lt -Ajax 11:03pm 10 January
I'm sorry but the fact that it doesn't have the RB26DETT engine is an atrocity. It isn't a Skyline GT-R without an Inline-6 "Cast in the name of God, ye not guilty" 10:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
The new GTR really doesn't belong in this article because it's not a skyline. They're two completely separate cars. Every car in the world that has "GTR" in the title doesn't belong in the skyline GTR article, so I dont see why the Nissan GTR would belong here - it is NOT a Nissan skyline GTR, it's simply a Nissan GTR. I'm probably going to go ahead and make a new article and copy the GTR section over there where it actually belongs, unless anyone can provide a good reason not to. The fact that the car is not yet released is not a good reason to put it in here or else we would have to put every unreleased car in the world in this one article. Hugzz 12:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Hugzz you might want to check the photos again. It has "SKYLINE" embosed on the rear bumper below the boot / trunk lid. - Ajax 4:26PM, 23 February 2007
Hugzz check out the link I posted earlier - http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/modules/news/article.php?storyid=21
I don't think its a fake nor its an old model and don't think its an Infiniti G35 either. There are 3 Pics, Front, Side and Rear. Check out the Rear one and you can just see the word SKYLINE. - Ajax 2:01PM, 26 February 2007
Yeah I did notice the Rear Pic was in silver / Black+White and if the front was Photoshopped then that 1 hell of a good job! But I can see the GTR Logo on the Front Pic abit blured. If you DO have comparisions I would like to see them. Like I said before the website is saying it's a 3.6L but the pics (looking like it's taken from a magazine), is Questioning it may be a 3.7L You already have people driving around in the new GTRs in the USA? - Ajax 11:48AM 27 February 2007
It gets confusing sometimes between Skykline V35 / Infiniti G35, because Infiniti is like the "Luxury" brand for Nissan as like Lexus to Toyota. In JPN is called a Skyline V35 Where as in the USA I believe it's a Infiniti G35. Similar to the Nissan 200SX (AUS) in JPN it's a Silvia and 180SX but the USA have it as a 240SX - Ajax 11:58AM 27 February 2007
Ajax, you are wrong my friend, the 180sx (JP) and the 200sx (US) are the same car, the 240sx was a completely different monster. Don't confuse those. However, Lexus and Infinity Brands are slowly showing up in Japanese showrooms because even in Japan they are stopping the homologation of these brands. The new Lexus "IS" is no longer the Altezza, but rather known by the same name here as there.
Off topic but anyway I bought it up...I believe the 180SX and 240SX are only different because of the engines that were given but the car had similar if not same body shape.
180SX = 1.8 L CA18DET / 2.0 L SR20DE / 2.0 L SR20DET all Inline 4 N/A or Turbo. (Jap Spec)
240SX = 2.4 L KA24E / 2.4 L KA24DE both Inline 4 N/A. (USA Spec)
180SX (JP) = 200SX (USA), as you said...Yes! Only because they both came out with an SR20DET engine but different bodyshape.
The S14 with the SR20DET engine is (Jap Spec) = 200SX (USA / AUS Spec)
The S14 with 2.4 L KA24DE engine = (USA Spec)
Sorry getting too off topic. - Ajax 10:36PM 7 April 2007
Personally I have strong moral obligations not to include the new GT-R as anything more than just a brief snippet. The reason is because the Skyline was always a performance machine. Total and complete (GT-R at least). The new Skyline strays away from what the car was designed for. Its price, weight, and even motor shows that it is no longer the same car that once was. Skyline were defined by a Inline-6 motor (its reliability and durability as a motor is vastly superior to just about any other engine design. Changes like this in the car away from the vision of past generations truly make it a very different car, thus a different article would be required.
Amazing achievment
Could someone please put in a paragraph or two about its monumental success at the Nurburgring?
Due to the development of the GTR R34 as is stated in the artical, there is a Nissan Skyline GTR R34 VspecII Nür. Named after the Nurburgring race track in Germany. The engine was improved and based on the N1 RB26DETT, Iam guessing with N1 or upgraded ballbearing Twin Turbos and engine parts. I believe the NISMO Z-Tune Z1 and Z2 was taken to Nurburgring for testing and developed aswell. Someone can help me out here -Ajax 9 March 2007 1:26PM
It doesn't mention, however, that the reason there is a Nurburgring special is because the R34 holds the record for fastest time around by a production car.
Probably because it's not true, if the Nordschleife fastest lap times page is to be half-way believed. Scott Paeth 20:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
It did hold the fastest time for a production car. Just read the article, Scott. :P Fafas (talk) 22:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Turbo Chargers
I believe that the standard GTR Twin Turbos produce 10 Psi (0.7 Bar) of Boost. The GTRs come standard with a boost gauge and it reads +7 at the highest point of the gauge. Even after installing an aftermarket Boost gauge its reads it quite accuratly and the pointer goes up to 0.7 Bar. -Ajax
Actually, the Skyline GT-R measures boost pressure in Torr! Well, at least my R32 does, anyways. -TBarb
Whats "Torr" TBarb? -Ajax
1 torr = 0.0193367747 pounds per square inch- Alain
It's a non-SI measurement of pressure based on the ability to move a millimetre of mercury which is named after the abbreviated name of Italian scientist Evangelista Torricelli, which is why the units on the guage are in Torr (or "mmHg"). The GT-R either maxes at 7 or 0.7 Torr of boost pressure. 0.7 seems more realistic, because 450 PSI is just insane with the stock turbochargers! -TBarb
I see...yeah my stock and HKS Boost Gauge have that "mmHg" on it too, but I know all the numbers are based on Bar as well. BTW 450 PSI GTR = we could probley fly to the moon and back! Or win just about every race we enter. HaHa!! -Ajax
Hmmm... I guess that would explain it, then. -TBarb
Really?!...I see, well I thought the standard boost gauge reads up to 0.7 and the needle should go up that far, I thought it was normal. Ha! learn something new! -Ajax
By the way TBarb, does the Boost level vary from say Jap Spec and Aus Spec GTRs? eg. is the Jap Spec boost level more than the Aus Spec? -Ajax
--Oh hey "Impreziv"! sorry thought you were "TBarb"...Thanks for the update. Also I have noticed that the Jap Spec don't have indicators on the front left and right handside of the panels (between the wheel arch and the door) but I think the Aus Spec one does, true? -Ajax 10:47pm, 10 January
^^Hmm... ok... mine don't have it. It was an import from Japan, unless the previous owner took it off and did a perfect job covering up the holes...
Ajax 3:38PM 10th December 2007 --Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.174.164 (talk) 04:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
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